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Everything Else => General Discussion => Topic started by: igordog on September 11, 2010, 09:11:38 am
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My opinion is that it doesn't really matter. It would make sense for terrorists to do it and it would make sense for our government to do it. But let's say we uncover the truth. So what? I think we already know that our government exploited the event to pass the Patriot Act and invade Iraq, shouldn't that be enough reason to rebel?
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It was the freemasons. Everything is done by the freemasons.
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My opinion is that it doesn't really matter. It would make sense for terrorists to do it and it would make sense for our government to do it. But let's say we uncover the truth. So what? I think we already know that our government exploited the event to pass the Patriot Act and invade Iraq, shouldn't that be enough reason to rebel?
It's not about it being enough reason to rebel or not. Whether the American Government set it in stage themselves is a huge.
Yeah, we know the Government used it as an excuse to go to war. But if they also killed that many people and did what could be called the ultimate betrayal...How will anyone trust their government after that?
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My opinion is that it doesn't really matter. It would make sense for terrorists to do it and it would make sense for our government to do it. But let's say we uncover the truth. So what? I think we already know that our government exploited the event to pass the Patriot Act and invade Iraq, shouldn't that be enough reason to rebel?
It's not about it being enough reason to rebel or not. Whether the American Government set it in stage themselves is a huge.
Yeah, we know the Government used it as an excuse to go to war. But if they also killed that many people and did what could be called the ultimate betrayal...How will anyone trust their government after that?
You shouldn't trust your government anyway. I'm used to my government lying to me. The government has done WAY worse things than kill 3,000 people in an explosion. We've overthrown almost every country south of here. We've forced little children to be stolen from their parents and held at gunpoint to pick tea leaves and cocaine. Capitalism has killed millions, if not billions and stolen everything from billions.
It would not surprise me if the government did 9/11 and it wouldn't surprise me if some muslim extremists did it.
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Whether 9/11 was caused by the government is not about you Matt. We're talking about the entire US population here. Most of them are oblivious to the things our governments do.
Furthermore, I do have faith in my government. I know they do a shit load of bad things, but I do trust them to take care of us (which I think is a governments first priority). I just hate our Dutch system of politics.
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Furthermore, I do have faith in my government. I know they do a shit load of bad things, but I do trust them to take care of us (which I think is a governments first priority).
Then I have nothing more to say to you.
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Not everything is about being an anarchist punkrock rebel, Matt. There have been serious cases in my country where my government actually did a great thing. You seem like you disagree with me having faith in my government, but do you know anything about my government?
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Not everything is about being an anarchist punkrock rebel, Matt. There have been serious cases in my country where my government actually did a great thing. You seem like you disagree with me having faith in my government, but do you know anything about my government?
Do you know anything about anarchism? You have no fucking clue that you're talking about faith in your government to an anarchist. Why would I agree with faith in government when the government is my enemy? Fuck, you're stupid.
Anarchism isn't a bullshit label, fuck face. I believe in the destruction of the government and capital. Which means that, why yes, I do hate the government. Some governments are slightly better than others, but in the end they're all governments.
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Not everything is about being an anarchist punkrock rebel, Matt. There have been serious cases in my country where my government actually did a great thing. You seem like you disagree with me having faith in my government, but do you know anything about my government?
You don't have to be an anarchist to not trust the government. I don't like anarchism at all but I don't trust the government. I'd think that most Americans don't. The government can do good things, yeah, but it also does horrible things. You don't think that most people in the government do things to actually help the people and have good motives, do you?
Not trusting the government helps keep it in check.
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There is a difference between having faith in having governments and having faith in your government. And I never said anything about anarchism being a label or whatnot. I mean to say that you always seem to come of as this ''I hate the government, anarchy and punk rule and if you don't agree with me I'll kick your ass'' kind of guy. And how easy you start calling names doesn't really help either.
How can you possibly know if 'some governments are better than the others'? Have you ever been into any form of contact with the officials of my country? I do not have faith in capitalism, what we call 'democracy' these days or modern society. But just that my government is an offspring of those 'ideas' doesn't mean that I'm going to become so narrow-minded as to automagically distrust anything that comes out of the words of my government. Ofcourse I'd sooner disbelief than belief them, but I don't take anything as true before I've done atleast a little bit of research on the subject.
And most of all I will not be rude to people who disagree with my way of thinking. Isn't that one of the things we hate about having someone in control of a country?
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You didn't understand my argument and you're an idiot.
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Sure, love ya too man
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The separation and disassosiation on punk and anarchism needs to happen soon. The two are completely unrelated, and yet everyone thinks they are the same.
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Agreed.
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Did anyone else hear about when Achmadinejad spoke at the UN about how 9/11 was carried out by the US Government?
I bet the truthers don't like that guy being on their side.
Or maybe they do I dont know.
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It's my opinion that as punks and hardcore kids, regardless of our beliefs, whether we agree 100% or not, we should be banding together first for our love of music and of our lifestyle. NOT having a "holier than thou" attitude, which you MATT definitely have.
Bro, that's just how I argue. Anytime that someone disagrees with you, you automatically start name calling, saying people are stupid, etc...
No, I don't. I respect opinions that are worth respecting.
So, U.S. doesn't have the same belief system as you. Does that make him less of a person than you? Do you know anything about him aside from what he wrote here, what he does in his everyday life that speaks as to what kind of a person he is outside of this forum? NO, you don't, so you have no right to pass judgement on him.
The opinions that he shared with us on here were idiotic. I didn't judge him, I judged his opinions and his inability to grasp my argument.
You know who else does that Matt? All of the people who YOU CLAIM TO OPPOSE!!!! The government. The Church. They think what they think, believe what they believe, and are unwilling to even consider what anyone else has to say. Everyone else is wrong, stupid, an idiot, and if they're not willing to go along with them, they're opinion is worthless.
Actually, I don't do that. Don't judge me without knowing me (c wut i did there?).
And that's all that I've heard from you since I came here. A 15 year old crybaby who doesn't even listen to REAL punk music, telling everyone else that he's right, they're wrong, and if they're not willing to go along with what he says than they can fuck off.
OMGZ I DONT LISTEN TO REAL PUNK. This is seriously my favorite part of your bitching. There you go again, playing the age card. And you call me a crybaby? Seriously? You made this post just to bitch about how I don't play nice with the other little forumers.
I've given you a chance even after you treated me like shit. I came and listened to your crappy radio show. I tried to have civil conversations with you, and you still treat me and the other people here like shit.
So? Oh god, you listened to my radio show for 10 minutes so now your opinion is so important.
Some day you'll find out that you're not so high and mighty. Some day you'll figure out that you still have a lot to learn, and when there's nobody around to help you because you've stepped on everyone along the way, you'll regret it.
I DON'T NEED ANYONE.
U.S....Does your government provide healthcare for it's citizens? Do you have a much lower crime rate in your country because there are many more jobs available for the working class? Do police carry guns in most places? Is there a very low rate of police brutality? Does your government rob you blind in terms of taxes and so on? Is marijuana legal, or is that just in Amsterdam? Was it the government's decision to make it that way, or the people's?
This is all so irrelevant.
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Did anyone else hear about when Achmadinejad spoke at the UN about how 9/11 was carried out by the US Government?
I bet the truthers don't like that guy being on their side.
Or maybe they do I dont know.
Achmadinejad seems like a puppet ruler of Afghanistan so that we can have at least one country to fight with. Is any politician really stupid enough to keep poking the most powerful country on earth when they know they would have no chance of winning and would just end up killing millions of civilians in a war?
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Dude......hes the president of Iran
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My name's Michael and I'm a faggot.
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My name's Matt and I like shitty B9 bands.
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My name's Michael and I dislike Ruiner.
You have no idea how much of an insult this is meant to be.
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My name's Michael and I dislike Ruiner.
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My name is Floyd and I encourage these arguments on my forum to continue.
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I'm tired of arguing it isn't fun for me.
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I'm tired of arguing it isn't fun for me.
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U.S....Does your government provide healthcare for it's citizens? Do you have a much lower crime rate in your country because there are many more jobs available for the working class? Do police carry guns in most places? Is there a very low rate of police brutality? Does your government rob you blind in terms of taxes and so on? Is marijuana legal, or is that just in Amsterdam? Was it the government's decision to make it that way, or the people's?
Our goverment does provide healthcare for it citizens. Partly thanks to Hitler, but mostly thanks to our old dutch form of ruling. We do not have a lot of jobs for the working classes sadly, but the party for the working class is pretty big nowadays. Our police DO carry guns, but they are often not allowed to fire them. Only in a threatening situation. They are not allowed to shoot an escaping suspect. There is a very low rate of police brutality, instead we suffer from the police officers being to scared to interfere in some situations... Taxes are extremly high though, especially when it comes to owning something.
And to stop the nonsense once and for all, Marijuana is NOT LEGAL in the Netherlands. Not in Amsterdam. not anywhere. The government has just decided to not take any action against using the drug, so that they can have a better control on the amount of the drug that circulates. You can carry about 5 grams with you. Anymore will be confiscated (often only the extra amount you have).
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To get back to the weed stuff... It is perfectly ok to buy it here in the netherlands. It's also perfectly fine to smoke it anywhere you want (except places where smoking is forbidden, such as all public buildings) and I think you are allowed to grow 5 plants per household. It's our government's way to say ''No, we do NOT agree with people using it, but in order to have better control/vision on how much is being used we have decided not to actually force the laws we have made against it''. This sounds cool and all but has a huge downside, namely:
Shops ARE allowed to sell as much of the stuff as they want, but they are NOT allowed to buy any weed to use for selling. So how the fuck do they have to get their stuff? Still illegally. Makes no fucking sense
Our government helps us to have medical care, even when it's purely psychological care. Also, if you're doing an above average college they are willing to pay for at least four years of said college.
My government, all in all, takes good care of it's citizens. But we have too many political parties, and all the important stuff needs about a year...just to talk about it. We never agree on anything. The downside of having a party for everyone...
And yeah, I agree with you Igordog. Believing in anarchism is a good thing, it really makes clear you dare to think beyond that which is already put into practice. I used to believe in communism like that.
That is until I had to stand more on my own feet and realize the rest of the world don't give a fuck whether I believe in communism and capitalism. They want their money, they want me to go to school everyday and want me to pay my taxes and listen to my government.
Going against them right now will only result in me losing the place I live. And ofcourse they'll confiscate everything that I own. Leaving me with absolutely nothing. How will that change my country for the better?
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It's my opinion that as punks and hardcore kids, regardless of our beliefs, whether we agree 100% or not, we should be banding together first for our love of music and of our lifestyle. NOT having a "holier than thou" attitude, which you MATT definitely have.
Bro, that's just how I argue.
Well, it's still my opinion that we're all part of a brotherhood sisterhood and we're all in this together. You can say, "Bro, that's just how I argue." But when you treat people with such disrespect (especially people who you don't even know), nobody's ever going to take you seriously.
I have nothing against you or Undertaker. I mean, sure, you're pretty annoying and Undertaker is pretty silly, but once we get away from politics I don't have anything against you.
Anytime that someone disagrees with you, you automatically start name calling, saying people are stupid, etc...
No, I don't. I respect opinions that are worth respecting.
Yes, you do. You respect opinions that are worth respecting according to you, but other people respect everyone's opinion whether they think that they're right or wrong. Have you ever heard the term, "agree to disagree"? I could see you having the attitude that you have if there was a neo nazi in here saying, "all niggers need to die!!!", but nobody's come close to that. You still insist on name calling and saying that you're right, everyone else is wrong, name calling, saying people's opinions are stupid, and so on. You're never going to get anywhere with that attitude.
But I'm right.
So, U.S. doesn't have the same belief system as you. Does that make him less of a person than you? Do you know anything about him aside from what he wrote here, what he does in his everyday life that speaks as to what kind of a person he is outside of this forum? NO, you don't, so you have no right to pass judgement on him.
The opinions that he shared with us on here were idiotic. I didn't judge him, I judged his opinions and his inability to grasp my argument.
I was referring to you saying "fuck, you're stupid." If that isn't passing judgment on someone I don't know what is.
Well, his argument was so fucking stupid.
You know who else does that Matt? All of the people who YOU CLAIM TO OPPOSE!!!! The government. The Church. They think what they think, believe what they believe, and are unwilling to even consider what anyone else has to say. Everyone else is wrong, stupid, an idiot, and if they're not willing to go along with them, they're opinion is worthless.
Actually, I don't do that. Don't judge me without knowing me (c wut i did there?).
Yes, I do see what you did there. I know how you've argued with me and U.S., and that's exactly what you've done. You've said, "I'm right, you're wrong. I do not respect your opinion and I won't listen to it. My way is the only way, period. What you say is stupid." Just like the government and the church.
I'm not passing judgment on you outside of this forum. I'm stating that the way that you argue is the exact same way that the government and church argues.
I listen to other opinions. I just don't like some of them.
And that's all that I've heard from you since I came here. A 15 year old crybaby who doesn't even listen to REAL punk music, telling everyone else that he's right, they're wrong, and if they're not willing to go along with what he says than they can fuck off.
OMGZ I DONT LISTEN TO REAL PUNK. This is seriously my favorite part of your bitching. There you go again, playing the age card. And you call me a crybaby? Seriously? You made this post just to bitch about how I don't play nice with the other little forumers.
I didn't say anything about age. "A 15 year old" I said, (which you left out), that I've tried to be nice to you even after you treated me like shit. I showed you respect. Something that you're not capable of. And it's my opinion that most of the music that you listen to is shit. I don't even know what you listen to, how the fuck are you supposed to know what I listen to? You're 36. Get off the forum. Don't you have responsibilities other than arguing with a bunch of high schoolers? My only other explanation is that you're here to rape underage boys and girls. That's what I think and I don't give a fuck if you respect it or not.
I've given you a chance even after you treated me like shit. I came and listened to your crappy radio show. I tried to have civil conversations with you, and you still treat me and the other people here like shit.
So? Oh god, you listened to my radio show for 10 minutes so now your opinion is so important.
I listened for a lot longer than 10 minutes, and anyone with any dignity would have said thank you instead of this^.I DON'T CARE. Jesus...
Some day you'll find out that you're not so high and mighty. Some day you'll figure out that you still have a lot to learn, and when there's nobody around to help you because you've stepped on everyone along the way, you'll regret it.
I DON'T NEED ANYONE.
Yeah, except your parents to take care of you and pay for everything while you do your little radio show.
I was obviously being sarcastic., you goddamned idiot.
U.S....Does your government provide healthcare for it's citizens? Do you have a much lower crime rate in your country because there are many more jobs available for the working class? Do police carry guns in most places? Is there a very low rate of police brutality? Does your government rob you blind in terms of taxes and so on? Is marijuana legal, or is that just in Amsterdam? Was it the government's decision to make it that way, or the people's?
This is all so irrelevant.
This wasn't directed at you unless your name is Undertaker Sheep. I was asking him questions about his country. If it was directed at you, it would be relevant because you're bashing a country and a government that you know nothing about; A country that seems to be in (somewhat at least) better shape than we are, and a government that takes better care (again somewhat) better care of it's citizens than ours does.
I was saying that all of that is irrelevant, because capitalism is still killing so many. I'm sorry if you don't get healthcare or the cops beat you down, pussy. Some kids get captured at gun point and are forced to make cocaine. Some kids are shot in the head for carrying a weapon by US soldiers. You can't fix capitalism with reform.
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You can't fix capitalism in any way. But innocent people will get killed, whether it be in anarchy or monarchism or what ever shit.
You're telling Igordog to get off the forum? Why? Because he's 36 and has something better to do than argue with high schoolers? Then I should leave the forum to perhaps, since I am no longer a high schooler.
Seriously Matt, that hardly made any sense...
If you have nothing against us, why do you resort to name calling and automagically disregard just about anything we say? Do you hate other people in general?
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You can't fix capitalism in any way. But innocent people will get killed, whether it be in anarchy or monarchism or what ever shit.
You're telling Igordog to get off the forum? Why? Because he's 36 and has something better to do than argue with high schoolers? Then I should leave the forum to perhaps, since I am no longer a high schooler.
Seriously Matt, that hardly made any sense...
If you have nothing against us, why do you resort to name calling and automagically disregard just about anything we say? Do you hate other people in general?
No, but I hate other people on the internet in general. I'm fairly nice and respectful in real life. I'll listen to your opinion and respectfully state my disagreements. Not on the internet, though.
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No, obviously not on the internet (which is the place where you and I have our discussions). On the internet, the way you state your opinions and disagree with those of other people is far from respectful.
But let's drop this. The thread should have been about 9/11, not how we perceive you to handle discussions.
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OK...I will end this (on my part once and for all.) I will respond to Matt's response as nicely as I can, and that will be the end of it. As I said before, this was never supposed to turn into this. This was simply a question about what you believe happened on September 11th 2001. I gave my opinion and I expected others to do the same and not automatically get angry.
1. "I have nothing against you or Undertaker. I mean, sure, you're pretty annoying and Undertaker is pretty silly, but once we get away from politics I don't have anything against you."- OK...I'll take you at your word when you say that. The way that you come off though, certainly seems like YOU DO have something against me, which I don't really care about, but I do think that you should treat people with more respect. We're here first and foremost because because we love Strike Anywhere.
That's just untrue. I'm here because Floyd is my friend.
That's one thing that we have in common. If I was walking down the street wearing a S.A. t-shirt and someone stopped me and said, "you like Strike Anywhere? So do I!" I would automatically feel a sense of friendship with that person just because we have that in common. If that person told me his/her political beliefs and I didn't agree, I would say, "I don't agree with you, I believe in this..." I wouldn't start attacking the person and trying to make them look stupid.
I wouldn't, either.
2. "But I'm right."- You can believe you're right all that you want to. You seem to be a very stubborn person, which can sometimes be a good thing and can sometimes be a bad thing. You'll have to figure out when your stubbornness is appropriate and inappropriate for yourself. For now, I will agree to disagree with you.
3. "Well, his argument was so fucking stupid."- As far as I'm concerned, his argument wasn't an argument at all. He weighed in on the original question and you attacked what he said. He responded and you attacked it again. Say whatever you want, but he's entitled to his opinion and you're entitled to yours, but you don't need to intentionally try to beat down other people's words because you don't agree with them.
4. I listen to other opinions. I just don't like some of them.- Then why can't you just say that? Why can't you just say, "I've listened to your opinion and I don't like it. This is how I feel about it...." Instead, you go gung ho and start spewing hatred towards someone who's here for the same reason that you are.
Because I was bored and that was way more fun. Oh, he's here because he's Floyd's friend, too?
5. "I don't even know what you listen to, how the fuck are you supposed to know what I listen to? You're 36. Get off the forum. Don't you have responsibilities other than arguing with a bunch of high schoolers? My only other explanation is that you're here to rape underage boys and girls."- I guess I touched a nerve here, huh? And you responded in the only way you know how. I acted like you, and it got you pretty pissed off, didn't it?
I just think it's a little weird, honestly. You're ageist, I'm ageist. I honestly don't like you old fucks that look down on us young punks and goes "Wow, there's no good music now. I'm glad I grew up back when music was good." The rape thing was a joke, of course.
I post in the "What Are You Listening To?" thread all the time about what kind of music I listen to. I've seen a few things that you've posted and I listened to your radio show, and I don't consider most of it "REAL" punk. we have different tastes in music and that's my opinion.
Well, if you only listened to Real Punk it would get pretty fucking boring, wouldn't it?
I'm 35. Yes I do have responsibilities and I take care of all of them. I pay my bills every month (what I've been saying all along is that whether you're an anarchist or not, you still have to go along with the system and keep a roof over your head, electricity, heat, and water going, food on your table etc...) Obviously. One of the points I saw US not grasping is that anarchists have to work within the capitalist system for now, and I acknowledge this. I'm not about to strip down naked and go into the woods for the rest of my life. I go to school and get good grades. I take care of my pets very well. I have a wonderful relationship with my girlfriend. When I'm not doing those things, I go on the computer instead of watching TV (which I still think is evil) and going out and getting drunk or being around people who I don't like. I don't come here to "argue with a bunch of high schoolers". I come here to talk about punk music and have conversations. You also come here to preach down to us about how "we're not doing enough" and make myspace pages for Floyd. It's a little over-zealous and scary. You start the arguments. When you get mad, you start throwing around insults, like "raping underage boys and girls." Like I said; I have a girlfriend that I've been with for 9 years. Do you? It doesn't matter. That was just verbal diarrhea that you spewed at me.
I would be lying if I didn't have the thought of "Pedo" everytime I saw an old guy online on punk forums.
Lastly, I don't see anything wrong with me being 35 and loving Strike Anywhere. That just shows my level of commitment. I started listening to punk as a 15 year old skateboarder and I'm still here. Not a lot of people can say that. Find me in 20 years and tell me that you're still involved. You can say, "Oh, I will be", but I've heard that a million times from a million people who aren't.
I don't know what I'll be doing or if I'll be alive in 20 years. I wouldn't be ashamed of myself if I listened to country music then and I wouldn't be impressed if I listened to Ruiner.
6. I DON'T CARE. Jesus... - Then, you're an ingrate as far as I'm concerned. If I did a radio show, I would say thank you to everyone who listened to it. I do. Unless they suck. I appreciate it when people do things like that. Obviously you don't. If that's how you want to go through life, that's on you and I can't change that.
7. I was obviously being sarcastic., you goddamned idiot.- That's what you say now. If you were being sarcastic, guess what? Sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet. It does when you're accustomed to it, grandpa. You should know that by now. And you had to add "You god damned idiot" in there just for good measure. Your defense to everything is name calling and anger. If someone makes a point about something (which although you disagree I believe I did) you automatically start name calling. You started this argument. You got this all going dude. Not me...You. How do you expect me to respond?
I can argue without name calling... I just choose not to.
8. "I was saying that all of that is irrelevant, because capitalism is still killing so many. I'm sorry if you don't get healthcare or the cops beat you down, pussy. Some kids get captured at gun point and are forced to make cocaine. Some kids are shot in the head for carrying a weapon by US soldiers. You can't fix capitalism with reform."
I already explained why I asked U.S. these questions. He explained why he felt that his government "wasn't so bad" and you attacked him. There you go namecalling again. I'm a pussy because healthcare in the U.S. actually affects me? Because police brutality is a problem in our country? No, you're a pussy if those are your most important issues. Matt, you're a keyboard warlord. Do you know why? Because (this isn't a threat by any means!!!) you are the type of person that sits behind your computer and types this shit. If you and I were standing out in the middle of a parking lot by ourselves I guarantee you that you would not get in my face and call me a pussy. Prolly wouldn't. Good thing we're not in a parking lot! Honestly, I think I'd like most people better IRL and they'd like me better IRL. But, we're online. You'd be too scared. From behind the safety of a computer screen it's all fine and good, but in a face to face situation, just the two of us, or with all of your friends and all of my friends, you would never do it. I think it's sad when you go "well, I look down on you because I would kick your ass". I'm very anti-violent when it comes to problems like this. That's the difference between people like you and people like me. If I say something, I stand behind it. I can back it up. You can't. That's why you didn't respond to the last set of questions that I asked you...
"Matt...I have one last question for you. This is not an attack. You say that you know what you believe. You say that you stand behind it. The government is our enemy. What are you doing to fight the enemy? Raising awareness? Researching? Are these not important anymore? What are you doing to make this country a better place for you, the people around you, and the generations to come? What are you doing so that when you leave this world it will be a better place?"
Because you talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. You say all of this shit about capitalism and anarchy and so on, but guess what? You're living right in the middle of it, taking full advantage of it, and loving every minute of it. Yeah, I love capitalism. I love my life ::) Whether you realize it or not, you're living the capitalist dream right now. Pretty sure I'm not in a mansion, but whatever. You're not out living in the street, protesting the human rights violations that all of the companies that you unknowingly support are committing. No, I'm not, because reform is counter-productive. Who do you think makes all of the clothes that you wear? Who do you think owns the companies for the oil that keeps you warm in the winter or drives you around? Who do you think owns the companies that keep your internet up and running? Look around you...Everything that you own and use was made by a giant corporation that's owned by another giant corporation, Obviously... and if you researched it all I don't think you'd be happy with what you'd find. But the point is, you're part of the American machine, whether you realize it or not. You are the enemy that you claim to be fighting against. I'm not. I'm not bourgeoisie. When you leave your parents' home and go out on your own, you're still going to be part of it. If you refuse to be, you're going to end up in one of two situations; Dead or in jail. You'll either realize that you can't just take what you need to survive and end up starving to death in the cold, or you'll try to take what you need and end up in prison. Otherwise, you'll be playing their game. You'll be a pawn in their game. You say it can't be achieved through reform, and I agree with that, but I don't know how else it can be achieved.
Your argument: It can't be achieved through reform, so keep reforming. We are all part of the capitalist machine, but as the workers we have power and we need to realize it.
I like everyone here...You all seem to be level headed and tolerant. Tolerance of intolerance is just as bad as intolerance. But you Matt? You seem to enjoy stirring things up and intentionally causing trouble. If that's just you, that's fine. If you're so set in your ways, that's respectable, but I do believe that you should have respect for others if ever expect to be taken seriously.
From here on out, I would still like to discuss certain subjects...I think that we should all state our cases, retort, state our replies, respect one another, agree to disagree, and remember that we're all here because we love Strike Anywhere.
No.